"Where the bishop is, there let the people gather; just as where ever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church". -St. Ignatius of Antioch (ca 110 AD)a martyr later thrown to the lions, wrote to a church in Asia Minor. Antioch was also where the term "Christian" was first used.
“But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.” 1 Timothy 3:15
"This is the sole Church of Christ, which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic." -CCC 811
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ITO ANG KATOTOHANAN!
Ang PAGKAKATATAG ng Iglesia Ni Cristo® ay NAKATALA at NAKATITIK po sa mga PAHINA ng AKLAT KASAYSAYAN saan man sa mundo tulad ng PAGKAKATITIK at PAGKAKATALA kung kailan, sino at paano BINUO ng IGLESIA KATOLIKA ang KUMPLETONG LISTAHAN ng mga AKLAT na nasa BIBLIA. noong taong 382 AD sa ROMA. At ang nagkumpleto nito ay ang IGLESIA KATOLIKA na "sa simula ay siyang Iglesia ni Cristo." (Pasugo Abril 1966, p. 46)
Hindi rin pahuhuli ang BRITANNICA ENCYCLOPEDIA tungkol sa pagkakatatag ng INC™!
Sa Pilipinas, halos LAHAT ng tao alam kung SINO ang NAGTATAG ng INC™. Sa ABS-CBN 'Fast Facts Iglesia Ni Cristo', sinasabi nito na ang Iglesia Ni Cristo® "WAS FOUNDED BY FELIX MANALO, ITS FIRST EXECUTIVE MINISTER."
TALAMAK ang KASINUNGALINGAN sa mga aral ng INC™. Kahit sa tanghaling tapat, KAYA nilang TUMINGALA sa araw na NAGSISINUNGALING nang HINDI KUMUKURAP!
Isang KAHIBANGAN ang SASABIHIN nilang si CRISTO ang NAGTATAG ng Iglesia Ni Cristo® sa Pilipinas!
Isang KAMANGMANGAN ang SASABIHIN nilang ang Iglesia Ni Cristo® na SUMULPOT na parang kabute sa Pilipinas noong 1914 ay siya ring IGLESIANG TINUTUKOY sa ROMA 16:16!
Ayon sa KASAYSAYAN ang Iglesia ni Cristo ay nagsimula pa noong Unang Siglo sa panahon ng Panginoong Hesus at ng mga Apostol.
At ang Iglesia Ni Cristo® ay nagsimula noong 1914 lamang sa panahon ng pagdating mga Protestanteng misyonerong galing sa Estados Unidos. At ito ay ITINATAG ni Felix Y. Manalo ayon sa archives ng SEC na PINATUTUNAYAN ng TIMELINE OF CHRISTIANITY!
Wikipedia/Timeline of Christianity
- 1914 Iglesia ni Cristo incorporated in the Philippines by its founder Felix Y. Manalo
Kaya't kung IPAGPIPILITAN nilang ANGKININ na 'SI CRISTO ANG NAGTATAG NG INC™ sa PILIPINAS' ay isang malinaw na KASINUNGALINGAN at walang dudang PANLILINLANG ito sa mga TAO.
NILILITO nila ang kanilang mga KAANIB at NILILINLANG nila ang kanilang mga tagasubaybay kung AARIIN nila na sila ang TINUTUKOY na mga 'iglesia ni Cristo' sa Roma 16:16.
Ang 'mga iglesia ni Cristo' na nabanggit sa Biblia (Roma 16:16) ay HINDI ang Iglesia Ni Cristo® (INC) sa Pilipinas! Ito ay ang IGLESIA KATOLIKA kung saan ang kanyang pamamahala ay NASA ROMA (VATICAN CITY)! Siguro naman malinaw sa aklat pa lamang kung KANINO pinatutungkol ni Apostol San Pablo ang kanyang sulat ~ SA MGA TAGA-ROMA (16:16) at HINDI ang mga kaanib ng INC™ ni Manalo sa PILIPINAS!
Kung sino ang DAPAT na MAGTATAG ng TUNAY na IGLESIA na PARA sa DIYOS at si CRISTO, ang PASUGO na rin ang MAGLALAHAD nito!
PASUGO Nobyembre 1940, p. 23:
“Iisa lamang ang tanging makapagtatayo ng Iglesiang magiging dapat sa Dios. Kung sino? -- Ang ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo lamang! Sinumang tao-- maging marunong o mangmang-- ay walang karapatang magtayo..."
Kaya't WALANG KARAPATAN si G. FELIX Y. MANALO, ayon na rin sa kanila, isang TAO, na MAGTATAG ng IGLESIANG PARA SA DIYOS at papangalanan niyang KAY CIRSTO kung HINDI naman si Cristo ang nagtatag nito!!
WALANG KARAPATAN si G. FELIX MANALO, isang TAO na MAGTATAG ng Iglesiang para kay Cristo sapagkat MAYROONG IGLESIANG TATAG si CRISTO NOONG UNANG SIGLO. At KUNG may mga SUSULPOT na mga "IGLESIA" rin PAGKATAPOS ng PAGKAKATATAG ng Panginoong HESUKRISTO sa KANYANG IGLESIA, ang LAHAT ng mga ito ay HUWAD!!
PASUGO Mayo 1968, p. 7:
“Ang tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo ay iisa lamang, ito ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo. Kung mayroon mang nagsisibangon ngayong mga Iglesia at sasabihing sila man ay INK rin ang mga ito ay hindi tunay kundi huwad lamang!"
HUWAD ang INC™ sa Pilipinas sapagat ito ay KAILAN LAMANG SUMULPOT! Samantalang ang IGLESIA KATOLIKA ay ang NAG-IISANG TUNAY na IGLESIA NI CRISTO, ayon na rin sa PATOTOO ng PASUGO at ng KASAYSAYAN!
PASUGO Abril 1966, p. 46:
“Ang Iglesia Katolika na sa pasimula ay siyang Iglesia ni Cristo."
PASUGO July August 1988 p. 6.
“Even secular history shows a direct time link between the Catholic Church and the Apostles, leading to the conclusion that the true Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.”
PASUGO March-April 1992, p. 22
"The Church of Christ during the time of the Apostles became the Catholic Church of the bishops in the second century..."
BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation)
"The Catholic Church is the oldest institution in the western world. It can trace its history back almost 2000 years."
"Roman Catholicism is a worldwide religious tradition of some 1.1 billion members. It traces its history to Jesus of Nazareth, an itinerant preacher in the area around Jerusalem during the period of Roman occupation, in the early 30s of the Common Era."
Wikipedia/History of the Catholic Church
"...the history of the Catholic Church begins with Jesus Christ and his teachings (c. 4 BC – c. AD 30) and the Catholic Church is a continuation of the early Christian community established by the Disciples of Jesus."
"As a branch of Christianity, Roman Catholicism can be traced to the life and teachings of Jesus Christ in Roman-occupied Jewish Palestine about 30 CE.
TOTOO BANG NATALIKOD NA GANAP ANG IGLESIANG TATAG NI CRISTO?
HINDI po totoong NATALIKOD ang UNANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO. Ang mga nagtuturong NATALIKOD ang ORIHINAL na IGLESIA NI CRISTO ay "bunga ng kawalang kabatiran nila sa mga katotohanang nakasulat sa Biblia."
Katulad ng mga MORMONS (The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints) na tatag ni JOSEPTH SMITH noong 1820 (Timeline of Christianity) na siyang original na NAGTURO ng "GREAT APOSTASY", ang Iglesia Ni Cristo® ni Ginoong Manalo ay halos MAGKATULAD na MAGKATULAD ang kanilang konsepto.
Ang PAGTALIKOD daw ay naganap noong namatay na ang mga alagad ni Cristo. At dahil sa NATALIKOD na nga raw ito, KINAKAILANGAN ng Diyos na MAGSUGO ng isang HULING PROPETA o HULING SUGO/ANGHEL upang ITAYONG MULI ang NATALIKOD na IGLESIA.
Kaya't noong 1820 PINANGARAL ni JOSEPH SMITH na siya raw ay ang HULING PROPETA at SUMULPOT ang MORMONISM.
Noong 1914 SUMULPOT naman ang INC™. At noong 1922, saka lamang itinuro ni FELIX Y. MANALO na siya raw ang HULING SUGO o ANGHEL sa mga HULING ARAW kuno!
"In the first-century, the Church Of Christ spread and grew in membership (Acts 8:4-5; 6:7). However, it apostatized after the apostolic period as false prophets led its turning away from the true faith (Matt. 24:11, 4; Acts 20:29-30: II Tim. 4:6)." -Pasugo Online [https://www.pasugo.com.ph/the-founder-of-the-iglesia-ni-cristo/]
Sapagkat kung HINDI NATALIKOD ang Unang Iglesia, LALABAS na ang Iglesia ng Mormons at Iglesia ni Felix Y. Manalo ay mga HUWAD. Kinakailangang MATALIKOD ang una para palabasin niyang LEHITIMO ang BAGONG SULPOT na iglesia.
Ngunit sa mga SERYOSONG NAGSUSURI ng mga ARAL ni FELIX MANALO, naitanong na ba ninyo kung KAILAN, ANONG PETSA at ANONG PANAHON NATALIKOD na GANAP ang UNANG IGLESIA?
NAWALA ANG orig na IGLESIA TAONG c.100 A.D.?
Ang PAGTALIKOD raw ay NAGANAP SIMULA noong NAMATAY ang HULING APOSTOL ayon sa kanilang Pasugo Online: 'However, it apostatized after the apostolic period...'
PASUGO Mayo 1961, p.21
“Maliwanag sa pag-aaral nating ginagawa sa unahan nito na ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo noong unang siglo ay natalikod o ganap na nawala sa ibabaw ng lupa. Inagaw nila sa pagsunod sa hulihan ni Cristo."
Sa isang paksa naman sa kanilang opisyal na magasing Pasugo, sinabi naman doon na NALIPOL NA LAHAT daw ang Unang Iglesia!
PASUGO Enero 1964, p. 2:
“Sa isang paksang mababasa sa nakaraang labas nitong Pasugo (Disyembre) ay ipinaliwanag kung saan naroon ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo noong unang siglo as Jerusalem. Ito ay natalikod. Nalipol na lahat."
Kung ang PAGBABATAYAN natin ukol sa 'PAGTALIKOD NA GANAP' daw ng unang Iglesia ay noong HULING NABUHAY ang mga APOSTOL, LALABAS na SIMULA c. 100 AD hanggang 1914 AD nawalan ng taga sunod si Cristo?! WALANG NAILIGTAS ang Panginoong Hesus!
UTANG NA LOOB pa pala ni Cristo ay FELIX MANALO ang PAGLILIGTAS niya. Sapagkat kung WALANG FELIX MANALO noong 1914 na NAGTATAG ng INC™ WALANG SAYSAY ang PAGKAMATAY NIYA sa KRUS. At WALANG SAYSAY ang Kanyang pagiging CRISTO (MANUNUBOS)!
Kung TATANGGAPIN natin ang ARAL ng INC™, LALABAS na si CRISTO ay MANDARAYA! Isa Siyang SINUNGALING. Sapagkat NANAIG ang kapangyarihan ng HADES sa Kanyang tatag na Iglesia!
Kahindik-hindik na aral ano po!
Ang hirap isipin na yung kay CRISTO, NATALIKOD! HINDI man lang UMABOT sa CENTENNIAL.
Samantalang yung HUWAD, UMABOT pa sa CENTENNIAL noong 2014 AD at ngayon ay nasa ika-106 TAON na!?
At dahil ALAM NATIN na ang PANGINOONG HESUS ay HINDI SINUNGALING at HINDI MANDARAYA, NAKAKASIGURO tayo na yung NANGARAL ng PAGTALIKOD ang SIYANG SINUNGALING at MANDARAYA: si Ginoong FELIX Y. MANALO!
PASUGO Agosto 1971, p.22:
“Tinitindigan namin na ang Iglesiang itinatag ni Cristo ay talagang iisa lamang. Nang magkaroon ng INK sa Pilipinas ay wala na ang Iglesia ni Cristo sa Jerusalem.”
Noong SUMULPOT ang INK o INC™ sa Pilipinas, DOON LAMANG NAWALA ang Iglesiang tatag ni Cristo sa Jerusalem noong Unang Siglo!?
Isang magic na aral ng BULAANG PROPETA!
At HINDI pa NATATAPOS diyan ang KALITUHAN nila KUNG KAILAN talaga NATALIKOD ang UNANG IGLESIA.
Sapagkat sa kanila ring PASUGO, Abril 1966, p. 46, INAMIN nila roon na HINDI pa pala NATALIKOD na GANAP ang UNANG IGLESIA (o ang ORIGINAL na IGLESIA NI CRISTO) sapagkat 1966 AD ay PATULOY pa raw na NAGPAPAPASOK ng MALING ARAL si SATANAS sa IGLESIA KATOLIKA NA 'SA PASIMULA'Y SIYANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO.'
“Ang totoo hanggang sa kasalukuyan ay patuloy na ginagawa ni Satanas ang pagpapasok ng mga maling aral sa Iglesia Katolika na sa pasimula'y siyang Iglesia ni Cristo. Sadyang matalino at tuso ang diablo. Hindi niya ginawang biglaan ang pagtalikod sa Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo noong unang siglo."
NATALIKOD NA GANAP ang UNANG IGLESIA
- 100 A.D. (Pasugo Online)
- 1914 A.D. (Pasugo Agosto 1971)
- 1966 A.D. (Pasugo Abril 1966)
- HINDI natalikod ang Unang Iglesiang tatag ni Cristo! (Pasugo Abril 1966)
- Ang Unang Iglesiang tatag ni Cristo ay ang Iglesia Katolika (Pasugo March-April 1992)
- Ang Iglesia Ni Cristo™ na sumulpot sa Pilipinas noong 1914 ay HUWAD! (Pasugo Mayo 1968)
- Ang Iglesia Katolika hanggang sa kasalukuyan ay siyang TUNAY at NAG-IISANG Iglesia ni Cristo! (Pasugo Abril 1966)
Sunday, November 29, 2020
[Originally posted at Iglesia ni Cristo 33 AD blog
Monday, November 23, 2020
Bakit Kailangan Ang Tunay na Iglesia at Hindi ang Huwad na Iglesiang Tatag ni Felix Manalo sa Pilipinas?
Ang PAGSULPOT ng INC™ sa Pilipinas noong 1914 ay isang "katuparan" daw ng "hula". SANG-AYON po tayo diyan. Ang pagsulpot ng huwad na iglesia (raw) ni Cristo sa Pilipinas ay katuparan ng mga hula sa Biblia.
Ngunit may PAKUNSWELO ang ating Panginoong Hesus sa ATING mga tunay na KAANIB sa TUNAY na Iglesia! Mataimtim niyang IPINANGAKO sa ATING mga HINIRANG na SIYA (SI CRISTO) ay SUMASAATIN sa LAHAT ng ARAW HANGGANG sa WAKAS ng PANAHON! (Mateo 28:20).
|(Source: Britannica Encyclopedia Online)|
“Ang tunay na INK ay iisa lamang. Ito ang Iglesiyang itinayo ni Cristo. Kung mayroon mang nagsisibangon ngayong mga Iglesia at sasabihing sila man ay Iglesia ni Cristo rin, ang mga ito ay hindi tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo kundi huwad lamang."
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PAREHONG OPISYAL na PINAHAHAYAG ng IGLESIA KATOLIKA at ng Iglesia Ni Cristo® 1914 na ang TUNAY na IGLESIANG KAY CRISTO ay ang IGLESIA KATOLIKA!
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Rejection of Christ's deity was all evident in the Bible itself. It is understandable because, among biblical personages like the prophets and sages, our Jesus Christ is UNIQUE, from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah none of them ever claimed divinity or God himself 'manifested in the flesh'. And because Christ's claim goes against the Jewish belief in 'ONE GOD', Him being equal with God ~ and God himself makes him answerable to the Law~ The SHEMA ~ therefore He was found guilty of BLASPHEMY~ A MAN making himself GOD ~ deserving DEATH.
"The Jews answered him, 'We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a MAN, are making yourself GOD.'" -John 10:33
No serious Christian would deny the fact that our Lord Jesus Christ was born a man. It's all there in the Bible. However, Christ being God is deeply problematic to the Jewish authorities and the Iglesia Ni Cristo® preachers. They failed to discover it. And they refuse to see the Truth. They chose to remain blinded and are leading their own followers to fall on their own pit.
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God...”
“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Here is the context in John 8:
Verse 40 - Jesus, a man who told you what He heard from God
Verse 41 - The Jews said God is their "Father"
Verse 42 - Jesus said, if God is their "Father", they should believe Him because He is from God
Verse 44 - Jesus confirms that those who deny Him aren't from God but from the devil.
Verse 45 - Jesus tells the truth and those who deny him (God in the flesh) do not want to listen.
Verse 47 - He who is of God hears Him, the Word of God. He who is not from God denies Him.
Verse 56 - Jesus claimed to see Abraham (Abraham preceded Jesus in the flesh 18 Centuries)
Verse 57 - Jews understood what Jesus meant. So he was questioned 'You're not in your 50s and yet you claimed to have seen Abraham' (who was 1,767 years older)?
Verse 58 - Jesus confirmed to the Jews that BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS "I AM"! Boom!
They put their false understanding of Jesus into the Apostle's thoughts and then made it appears that St. Peter was their witness against Jesus' divinity.
"To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our GOD AND SAVIOR Jesus Christ"
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
"For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh."
"Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
"Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds."
The Bible is very clear on this issue: that Jesus (Word) was the CREATOR, not creation (All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made -John 1:3)!
These INC™ paid ministers are mocking John's theology of the Logos (Jesus the Word of God) when he said "All things were made through Him (Word), and without Him (Word) nothing was made that was made." (John 1:3) Indeed JESUS THE WORD of GOD was THE CREATOR. Jesus Christ HAS NO BEGINNING, he is THE CREATOR the beginning of everything!
"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:‘I am the First and I am the Last;Besides Me there is no God."
"The whole history of salvation is identical with the history of the way and the means by which the one true God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, reveals himself to men "and reconciles and unites with himself those who turn away from sin" -CCC 234 (emphasis mine)
As God, he has the power to lay his life and to claim it back.
“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again." -John 10:17-18Yes, our Lord Jesus Christ is 100% ETERNAL GOD!
But Him being in the Flesh is NOT his original nature. HE'S GOD "You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world." -John 8:34
So no one is denying Jesus being human. Similarly, no one denies Him being God. And when our Lord God, the Alpha and the Omega - the First and the Last will come again to judge the living and the dead, everyone will see Him, even the one who pierced Him! -Revelations 1:7-8
'Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He (Jesus) should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.' -John 17:1-5
"For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." -Hebrews 4:15
In conclusion, the Bible says, 'JESUS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER' (Hebrews 13:8)! If Christ is GOD eternally from the beginning, He is God when He was born flesh and He is the same God when He will come again!
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