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Catholic Real29 said:
Why not ask yourself that question? Enlighten us…if you may…lol…
>>You keep attacking the Catholic Church without knowing it’s founder? Take note that while you are attacking the Church, you are attacking it’s founder!
Ivan, Ivan! It’s me _ _ _ _ _ whom you are attacking!!!!
Ivan, please name the founder of the Catholic Church whom you are attacking! No guesses please, or personal opinions, just the facts
Member of Manalo's Church Ivan said:
I believe I already answered your question about the founder of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Don’t you get it?! LOL…
Let me put it this way for your satisfaction…LOL…
I don’t exactly know the founder of your FALSE CHURCH…Maybe some BISHOP years after the death of the last apostle. That’s why I am asking you to enlighten us about the founder of your Church. BUT, this is what you should know. As far as the Gospel of the Kingdom of God is concerned, there is ONLY ONE TRUE CHURCH founded by the LORD JESUS CHRIST. And, that ONE TRUE “CHURCH OF CHRIST,” HIS FLOCK, hears his voice and follows ONLY HIM…NOT those PHILOSOPHERS of the Catholic Church.
CD2000: Good that you've ADMITTED you are NOT SO SURE of what you know about the Church founder and yet you are so quick to jump into conclusion that the CATHOLIC CHURCH is fake just because you are UNSURE of your answers?
Just as your paid ministers infected you with their CONFUSSIONS on who founded the Catholic Church, here is what's OFFICIALLY published in your magazine.
- According to Emiliano Magtuto--PASUGO Nob. 1956, p. 18: -- the Catholic Church was founded in the year 44 B.C.
- According to Benjamin Santiago -- PASUGO Peb. 1959, p. 1: -- the Catholic Church was founded in the year 400 A.D.
- Again according to Benjamin Santiago -- PASUGO Ago. 1962, p. 3: -- the Catholic Church was founded in the year 1870 A.D.
- According to Teofilo C. Ramos -- PASUGO Mar. 1956, p. 25: -- the Catholic Church was founded in 1870 A.D.
- And according to Joaquin Balmores -- PASUGO Peb. 1952, p. 9: -- the Catholic Church was founded in the year 400 A.D.
[Source: Ang Katotohanan Tungkol sa INK-1914]
So we perfectly understand your CONFUSION here and why you're NOT SURE of your answers and yet you are so quick to pass judgment on the things you don't know. Let me help you with that.
According to Iglesia ni Cristo's official magazine, the CATHOLIC CHURCH is the original CHURCH Christ founded.
PASUGO Abril 1966, p. 46: “Ang Iglesia Katolika na sa pasimula ay siyang Iglesia ni Cristo." [The Catholic Church which from the beginning was the Church of Christ]
In other words, the ancient CHURCH was no other than the Catholic Church which traces its history DIRECTLY to the time of the APOSTLES. And since there could be NO two churches founded by Christ, the other must cease to exist so Manalo could have the reasonable and legitimate claims over his founded church.
That in 1914 he preached that the FIRST CHURCH which was the CATHOLIC CHURCH completely APOSTATIZED.
PASUGO Mayo 1961, p. 21:
“Maliwanag sa pag-aaral nating ginagawa sa unahan nito na ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo noong unang siglo ay natalikod o ganap na nawala sa ibabaw ng lupa. Inagaw nila sa pagsunod sa hulihan ni Cristo."
And that Felix Manalo was called or commissioned by "God" to be his "LAST MESSENGER" or "ANGEL", only realized SEVEN YEARS after the INC was founded.
So which of the two claimants is FAKE and GENUINE? Is it the CATHOLIC CHURCH or the IGLESIA NI CRISTO?
Let us CONSULT what's official.
ACCORDING TO THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO
PASUGO Nobyembre 1940, p. 23:
“Iisa lamang ang tanging makapagtatayo ng Iglesiang magiging dapat sa Dios. Kung sino? -- Ang ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo lamang! Sinumang tao-- maging marunong o mangmang-- ay walang karapatang magtayo..."
According to the above official quotes, NO MAN has the RIGHT to build a church-- whether he's wise or fool-- has the right, EXCEPT our LORD JESUS CHRIST ONLY!
PASUGO Agosto-Setyembre 1964, p. 5
“Kailan napatala sa Pamahalaan o narehistro ang INK sa Pilipinas? Noong Hulyo 27, 1914. Tunay nga na sinasabi sa rehistro na si Kapatid na F. Manalo ang nagtatag ng INK."
But the above official quotes from the INC confirms that FACT that the IGLESIA NI CRISTO's FOUNDER was NOT Christ but FELIX MANALO!
Does he has right to build a church?
According to the INC's official statement, NO MAN has the right, ONLY our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
PASUGO Mayo 1968, p. 7:
“Ang tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo ay iisa lamang, ito ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo. Kung mayroon mang nagsisibangon ngayong mga Iglesia at sasabihing sila man ay INK rin ang mga ito ay hindi tunay kundi huwad lamang!"
With SO MUCH NUMBER of CLAIMANTS to be the TRUE churches, the above official quotes confirms that ANY CHURCH newly FOUNDED which claims to be the "CHURCH OF CHRIST" are not real but F-A-K-E-S!!!
So if the IGLESIA NI CRISTO which was founded recently in 1914 bearing the name "Iglesia ni Cristo" or "Church of Christ", this church MUST be a FAKE one according to the standard set by the Iglesia ni Cristo on FAKE CHURCHES.
So which is the TRUE CHURCH THEN?
PASUGO Mayo 1954, p. 9:
“Alin ang tunay na Iglesia? Ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo sa Jerusalem."
According to the official quotes from the INC of Manalo, THERE IS ONLY ONE CHURCH. And this CHURCH should be ORIGINATED from JERUSALEM FOUNDED by CHRIST himself.
And the most damaging confirmation was officially published by the INC of Manalo in PASUGO Abril 1966, p. 46: “Ang Iglesia Katolika na sa pasimula ay siyang Iglesia ni Cristo."
ACCORDING TO SECULAR HISTORY
Roman Catholicism, Christian church that has been the decisive spiritual force in the history of Western civilization. Along with Eastern Orthodoxy and Protestantism, it is one of the three major branches of Christianity.
The Roman Catholic Church traces its history to Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Over the course of centuries it developed a highly sophisticated theology and an elaborate organizational structure headed by the papacy, the oldest continuing absolute monarchy in the world.
The number of Roman Catholics in the world (nearly 1.1 billion) is greater than that of nearly all other religious traditions.
According unbias sources by Wikipedia
The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the world's largest Christian church, with more than one billion members worldwide. It is among the oldest institutions in the world and has played a prominent role in the history of Western civilisation. The Catholic hierarchy is led by the Pope and includes cardinals, patriarchs and diocesan bishops. The Church teaches that it is the one true Church divinely founded by Jesus Christ, that its bishops are the successors of Christ's apostles and that the Pope is the sole successor to Saint Peter who has apostolic primacy."
According to the Timeline of Catholicism
"As the oldest branch of Christianity, along with Eastern Orthodoxy, the history of the Catholic Church plays an integral part of the History of Christianity as a whole. This article covers a period of just under 2,000 years.
"As the apostles of Jesus Christ spread the gospel, they provided the beginning structure for the early Christian Church. It is impossible to separate the initial stages of the Roman Catholic church from that of the early Christian church."
Member of Manalo's Church Ivan said:
SO, having said that, you should understand that your Church is not the TRUE one. Your FALSE CHURCH does not bear the GENUINE GOSPEL OF GOD preached by Christ. The most important of them is the DOCTRINE ON THE ONE TRUE GOD. The ONE TRUE GOD recognized and preached by Christ who founded HIS CHURCH is no other than the FATHER alone. (John 17:1-3, John 20:17, Mark 12:28-34).
CD2000: Between Ivan contradictory statement with that PASUGO, I would rather take seriously the latter since it's OFFICIAL.
The CATHOLIC CHUCH is the TRUE CHURCH (PASUGO Abril 1966, p. 46) founded by Christ. What makes the Iglesia ni Cristo the "Church of Christ" is because it BEARS the name (Rom. 16:16) but we ALL KNOW it's FELIX MANALO who founded and registered this "Iglesia ni Cristo" in 1914 as a Corporation Sole.
Member of Manalo's Church Ivan said:
Apostle John even teaches us who the LORD JESUS CHRIST and who the LORD GOD are…
In 2 John 1:3, John teaches that the FATHER is the ONE TRUE GOD. Here it is –
Grace, mercy, and peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
In that verse, he also reveals who Christ Jesus is. He is the SON OF THE FATHER.
In John 20:31, this is also written —
but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
Again, CHRIST and the apostles never preached about the Trinity doctrine (3 persons in one God) as the Catholic Church upholds and teaches now.
CD2000: John TESTIFIES to the DEITY of CHRIST!
Ivan quoted 2John 1:3 but failed to quote 1:7 which says:
"Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh; such is the deceitful one and the antichrist."
Deceivers would come and preach another doctrines, who DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE JESUS CHRIST (Divine God) coming in the flesh.
In other words, JESUS who was GOD became FLESH. And anyone who DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE this TRUTH -- this DOCTRINE, St. John says in 1:10 we should NOT RECEIVE nor GREET him!
"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him in your house or even greet him;"
FELIX MANALO denied this DOCTRINE. He DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE Jesus Christ (God) coming in the FLESH and therefore FELIX MANALO is the DECEIVER and ANTI-CHRIST.
The same Chapter 2 of John 1:9 testifies that they (the Iglesia ni Cristo) DOES NOT HAVE GOD.
"...as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God"
And whoever RECEIVES them, receives the evil they bring 1:11
"...for whoever greets him shares in his evil works."
Therefore, the IGLESIA NI CRISTO founded by a MAN who has no authority to BUILD a church, who PREACHED another DOCTRINE, who DENIES and DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE Jesus Christ coming in the flesh, is the DECEIVER and ANTI-CHRIST.
- JESUS is GOD-- the WORD (Logos) made FLESH (John 1:1-3)...
- GOD from the beginning (John 1),
- who PRECEDED Abraham, our father of faith (John 8:58);
- Who is I AM (John 8:58)
- Who is the ALPHA (beginning) and the OMEGA (the end) -(Rev. 1:8) says GOD “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “the one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty.
- Jesus is the LAMB who claims to be the Alpha and the Omega (Rev 22:13) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Note: The ALPHA and OMEGA was declared by GOD the FATHER in Isaiah 41:4; 44:6.; the same CLAIM by JESUS CHRIST Revelations 22:13 1:8; 21:6
So who founded the Catholic Church?
It's JESUS CHRIST!
And who founded the Iglesia ni Cristo?
It's FELIX MANALO!
Therefore, come to the TRUE CHURCH and adhere to its teachings. The CHURCH is waiting for your coming home!