"The Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If ever there were a safe truth it is this, and Protestantism has ever felt it so; to be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant." (-John Henry Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine).

"Where the bishop is, there let the people gather; just as where ever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church". -St. Ignatius of Antioch (ca 110 AD)a martyr later thrown to the lions, wrote to a church in Asia Minor. Antioch was also where the term "Christian" was first used.

“But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.” 1 Timothy 3:15

"This is the sole Church of Christ, which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic." -CCC 811

Tuesday, September 21, 2010

Another Ranting of an Iglesia ni Cristo member

Here's another comment by a certain INC-1914 member.  His comments came from this post: The Dirtiest Trick
plaridel said...

Remember Catholicdefender2000 So you deny that you worship images and at the same time we deny worshiping Manalo, because we don't. Tell me catholicdefender where are you from? If your not from the philippines, why would you come to know the INC? Why would you wasted your time combating a "sect" as you call it.?

Mr. Plaridel. I am not denying. I am confirming our OFFICIAL POSITION on that matter. Our position concerning holy (not graven) images of Christ, the angels and saints are explained in our OFFICIAL CATECHISM (1159-1161 see footnotes also) which is DEEPLY ROOTED in the Bible like in Exodus 32:5, Numbers 21:9, 8:4 (read Veneration of Sacred Images).

Now, let me ask you. Where is your official teachings why Felix Manalo's image should be erected in your Central? And Eraño's images adorned with flowers inside your INC offices in Central? What's your basis?

Look. If I need to know what is OFFICIALLY Catholic, it's easy. Google can help me do that. I don't have to travel to the Vatican City's Library just to know what's officially Catholic. I can do it right inside the comforts of my room. And I can speak to the world while I am relaxing on my bed.

Isn't it that's what exactly I am doing right now. I am relaxing on my bed while my message reaches you in the Philippines?

So why do I have to travel all the way to Philippines to seek an audience with one of your PAID ministers?

There's only one reason that could convince me doing that. If your minister's wisdom surpasses that of Solomon, then definitely, just as the Queen of Sheba risking her life by travelling from Yemen to Jerusalem seeking Solomon's wisdom, you may be seeing me perhaps with many secular and religious leaders flocking your Central's entrance gate for an audience. Sadly, that only happens during elections in the Philippines.

But here's the convincing part. Secular leaders and other religious leaders from Islam, Judaism, other Christian communities and non-Christian religions are found lining for an audience with the Pope, the successor of St. Peter, the apostle whom Christ built his Church promised that "the gates of hell SHALL NEVER prevail" against HIS CHURCH. They travelled thousands of miles just for an audience with an 83 year old man in the Vatican.

How is that Mr. Plaridel?

plaridel said...

Rememberm, you sads that none of our miunister or our executrive minister is better compared to your pope or even your cardinals. But look, when was the last time you say a cardinal or a pope or even just a priest debating with anybody? if the CC wants a debate or want to discus doctrines they send catholic defenders like keating or fernandez. Is there a video of them
(your priests) debating? Or at least use verses to defend your doctrines? Give me a link to that video. our ministers are well trained in those feilds like theology. your priests use reason and just a little verses.

Well that's because we are Catholics by heart.

The Catholic Church is not the Iglesia ni Cristo-1914. Priests DO NOT control us.  We enjoy our God-given freedom. 

We don't need the approval of any priest or cardinal or the Pope for a debate. We do it on our own as CATHOLICS. Once you know what's Catholic and what's NOT then you can always engage yourself in a meaningful debate with the intentions of bringing souls back to the Church of Christ.

That's exactly what I am doing. I have no priest, or bishop, or cardinal or the Pope for approval. See the links I have provided in my blog? That's where I am getting my strength and my shield to protect the Church.

Catholic Defenders are LAY CATHOLICS. They are not like your PAID Ministers. They do it for free. Unlike your debaters, our Catholic Defenders are NOT PAID for debating. Unlike our debaters they got no incentive after a hard days work. They've got nothing. Not even a tap on the back. It's all done for Christ whom you are persecuting.

Sorry but our priests are busy helping the needy. Our own lay Catholic Defenders are well equiped. They can handle that. Our priests, bishops, cardinals are too big for your PAID Ministers. As I've said, it's unfair.

Oh, you want links for videos?

We don't want to hurt you further :). ADD had uploaded nuuuuuuuumerous videos and mostly are really damaging. I think you should deal with that first.

Yes our ministers studied Philosophy and Theology. And yes, they studied the Bible because IT'S the CATHOLIC BOOK!

plaridel said...
Why Dont you give time to proving your doctrines on your blog not just your opinion or many peoples opinions on your blog as if it were a news magazine. why do you even attack muslims in general? not all muslims are like that. those are the extremists. Ok agan to the topic. let me try to enlighten you on your excerpt:

“Parehong-pareho ang espiritu ni Cristo sa diwa ni Kapatid na Felix Manalo sa pamamaraan ng pagdadala ng tungkuling tinanggap sa Dios." [Christ and Manalo has THE SAME SPIRIT...]"

The spirit of Jesus is "parehong-pareho" as Felix when he took the duty given to him by God. Not the same spirit at all. The same spirit when he took his duty.

Hindi namin aniamin na si Manalo ay dios. si manalo ay tao. Isa lamang ang dios. ang Dios na yun ang ang Dios na lumalang ang buong munda, ang dios na walang hanga ang Dios na walang katapusan. Hindi yon si kapatid na manalo.

"Attack on Muslims"? Who is attacking Muslims? Who told you that I am "attacking Muslims"? You are putting words into my mouth. That's not fair Mr. Plaridel.

I am not attacking Muslims. The Catholic Church officially recognizes their faith. What I am critical of is extremism which I wish those who terrorize people wouldn't associate their terrorism with Islam. Unless no enough moderate Muslim stands against those "who malign" their religion then there would be more and more people who'd believe that terrorism is synonymous to Islam or vise versa. I am helping Muslims to eradicate that wrong notion but they need to help us too.

Going back to your rantings, the problem with INC-1914 members is that they believe everything is just an opinion. They DO NOT know when a statement is an opinion or when it is a fact.

Look, opinions they maybe, but the mere fact that it was PUBLISHED OFFICIALLY, then they ceased to be opinions. They become FACTS.

That's what I have done. I have quoted from official sources and that for me is a FACT. Your Ministers supported those facts I needed. Your own ministers damaged your own position in the INC-1914 for publishing their "opinions" in your Official Magazine.

Let me quote again your official magazine PASUGO July 1965, p. 12:
“Parehong-pareho ang espiritu ni Cristo sa diwa ni Kapatid na Felix Manalo sa pamamaraan ng pagdadala ng tungkuling tinanggap sa Dios." (In English: "The spirit of Christ is exactly the same with the soul (or spirit) of Brother Felix Manalo in a manner of bringing the duty (or role) they received from God.")
Where can we find that in the scripture? Can you please give us any Bible verse which says that Christ's role has to be shared with Felix Manalo?

Nor I can recall any instance that a Pope or any Catholic priest claimed that too. Not even his own apostles!

In fact, the Apostles boldly acclaim the greatness and superiority of Jesus for "he is Lord" and that they're not greater than the Master himself.div>

What was the duty of Christ he received from the Father?

That he's the MESSIAH. He will ransom his people from their sins. And that his own blood will be our perpetual offering for our own salvation.

And because of this, God highly exalted him and has given him a name which is above all names: That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth: And that every tongue should confess that the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father," says the Bible(Philippians 2"9-11)

See? Jesus's mission were recorded in the Bible. His name was written CLEARLY.

Where is MANALO's?

So where the name of Felix Manalo written in the Bible? What was his duty that he deserves any of the credit identical with that of Jesus had?

In Hebrews 9:14 "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who by the Holy Ghost offered himself unspotted unto God, cleanse our conscience from dead works, to serve the living God?"

Did it also happen to Manalo?

Let's see. According to their official magazine PASUGO May 1964, p. 1:

“Inihandog ng Dios ang kanyang sarili sa kanyang huling sugo upang dumiyos sa kanya. Samakatuwid, ang tanging may Dios na huling araw na ito'y ang huling sugo -- si Kapatid na Felix Manalo." (God offered himself to his last messenger so that he gain godhood in him.  Therefore the only person who has God in these last days is the last messenger--Brother Felix Manalo).
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plaridel said...

Look at it my friend, i did not accuse you if worshiping idols in the sentence above. i acctualy denied it for you. i used it as an example. to see what we feel if you have meen insulted or that being said to you. Imagine this if you come up to me and say "I never told you to deny it for me. " then i would say "so you do accept it?" see, theres nothing wrong with me saying that. if i were to convert to another religion aside form the INC i would never be a catholic.

So you want to scrutinize our doctrine. Go to a minister, he will tell you the truth that the INC believes in. Mark my words, you will quote me on this or anything i say. Still you must remember, i am not an official spokesperson of the INC.

September 13, 2010 5:52 PM

Mr. Plaridel, I don't need your defense. In turn, you badly needed it more than I do.

No, you are not accusing Catholics of being "idol worshippers". You are ACTUALLY asserting it as if it's our official teachings. But when you are asked to back up your asssertions you can't provide any. That is because WE DO NOT!

And don't bother to convert to the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST because in this Church salvation is surest once you follow Christ's teachings.

Why is that? Because we follow teachings from a Christ who is true God and true man.

While your Christ was a JUST A MAN, a LIAR and a DECEIVER and your last "SUGO" was an ANGEL and your new SHEPHERD.

Thanks for your invitation but no, I won't waste my time with someone who's severely INCOMPETENT.

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