"The Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If ever there were a safe truth it is this, and Protestantism has ever felt it so; to be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant." (-John Henry Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine).

"Where the bishop is, there let the people gather; just as where ever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church". -St. Ignatius of Antioch (ca 110 AD)a martyr later thrown to the lions, wrote to a church in Asia Minor. Antioch was also where the term "Christian" was first used.

“But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.” 1 Timothy 3:15

"This is the sole Church of Christ, which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic." -CCC 811

Monday, July 4, 2011

A Bigotted Meaning of the VATICAN FLAG by an Iglesia ni Cristo member using multiple aliases

INC Temple in Cubao (Photo Source: Wikipedia)

BIGOTS never run out of anti-Catholic articles...
Vatican flag, what does it mean?
May 24, 2011 | Author: resbak aka Conrad J. Obligacion, INC Minister

There is no end to the pettiness of Ivatan Blogger AKA Wakay AKA Catholicdefender2000. He’s even put his own spin on the meaning of the INC flag. Of course he blogged about it not to acknowledge the meaning of the flag as explained by the INC but rather to malign and denigrate the INC. Well, Ivatan blogger AKA Middle East homosexual prostitute, two can play that game. Let’s go.
CD2000: As I have said before and I will say it again, until the Iglesia ni Cristo cult of Manalo STOP MALIGNING the Catholic Church of Christ and ALL Catholics in their TV programs and their PASUGO and The MESSAGE publications, I can assure Mr. Obligacion, a prostitute of the Deceiver- the Father of Lies, AKA “truthcaster” AKA Catholic Ivatan AKA Cedric Amalon AKA C. Amalon AKA Geoff AKA ReadmeINC, AKA Admiral Conic, a CATHOLIC HATERS INC member, that I will stop my INQUISITIVE “pettiness” against the INC’s secret teachings.

And if they couldn’t (which I am sure they WOULDN’T and they WON'T) CONTROL THEMSELVES from being, VICIOUS, MEAN, RUDE, BAD-MANNERED, IMPOLITE, VULGAR and very UNBECOMING, assaulting individuals rather than IDEAS and ISSUES, then they are giving me no other alternatives but to DEFEND the Catholic Church of Jesus Christ built and prophesied NEVER to apostatize by Jesus Christ, its own founder (Matthew 16:16-19).

Hindi ba’t PAGSISIYASAT ang isang bagay na PAGTATANONG ukol sa aral at simbolo na naroon sa INC na hindi naman opisyal na inilalathala ang ibig sabihin? Isn’t it, they are the ones who are ENCOURAGING everyone to be INQUISITIVE of their FAITH to find the TRUTH? And now that I am responding to that request, Mr. Obligacion AGAIN showed hostility not against my opinion but AGAINST ME... bitterly going round and round with the same accusations I have rebuted long time [see LINK at the last part of this post].

Let me remind this INC member that RUDENESS and AD HOMINEM will not prove him right. It makes him look sillier than his object of attack. It's like aiming an assault to his opponent with the trigger pointing at himself. That's self destructive. Now, who would believe in a 'BIGOTED' opinion about the VATICAN FLAG when all its meaning has been generously provided in WIKIPEDIA? Only fools would do that.

But of course, INC members like Mr. Obligacion do not want sound doctrines and factual information taken from official sources. He loves to search in the waste bin. He is like a scavenger whose main objective is to find the best garbage ever! Once he finds one, he throws his dirt on to the clean one. Who would be messing up an already messed up thing? With what he's doing, it is implied that the Catholic Church is clean and he wants to MESS it up.

I am so sorry that I have to add more frustrations to Mr. Obligacion. Unless the Iglesia ni Cristo founded by Felix Manalo, an ex-Catholic and ex-protestant loser preacher, sexual molester - rapist “LAST MESSENGER – ANGEL” who was NOT EVEN BAPTIZED in the INC, would come up with its OFFICIAL WEBSITE where we, non-members can interrelate with the INC administration and read officially their teachings—ONLINE we will continue to be INQUISITIVE for the SAKE of KNOWING the TRUTH in the INC of the MANALOS which their Ministers are reluctant to disclose.

Should I apologize for not knowing the “meaning of the flag as explained by the INC” ? Why should I?

Give us that link where we can find the meaning of your flag as "explained by the INC"? or any scanned copy?

Unless Mr. Obligacion substantiate THIS CLAIM with EVIDENCE, FACTS, DATA like url LINKS, SCAN COPIES, references, or perhaps the best is to POST that ARTICLE in his garbage, bigoted anti-Catholic, full of hatred (RESBAK – REVENGE) blog, then please STOP deceiving your own INC members by accusing me of "maligning" your cult when in fact it's Mr. Obligacion who is LYING here: "Of course he blogged about it not to acknowledge the meaning of the flag as explained by the INC but rather to malign and denigrate the INC."

But of course HE CANNOT provide us any proof because there is NOTHING is explained by INC!

For Catholic Defenders, we follow what was said by our FIRST POPE, in his First Letter, St. PETER said (3:15-18):  “Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who seeks…"

The meaning of the Vatican flag
May 24, 2011 | Author: resbak aka Conrad J. Obligacion, INC Minister

Vatican flag

What are the meanings of the symbols and color of the Vatican flag using the same method Ivatan Blogger AKA Wakay AKA Catholicdefender2000 used to describe the INC flag on his blog.

CD2000: Method?
I have been asking for an official website of the Iglesia ni Cristo since the memorial but until today INC has nothing to offer. There seems something in their teachings that they are adamant from showing it to public. So the method I was using is to search for thirdhand sources of which I found out something. Redirect us to your official website and that's it. But if you don't have, please do not find fault from us Truth Lovers.
Let’s start with the crown.
The crown is actually three crowns placed one on top of the other. It was made this way so that the title “Vicarius Filii Dei” can be written on each crown. One would remember that the meaning of “Vicarius Filii Dei” in Roman numerals is “666″ , the number of the beast.

Copied teachings from the Seventh-Day Adventist, Felix Manalo and his cohorts can never give up on this argument and I dare any INC member to provide a genuine photo of any tiara that has the inscription of 'Vicarius Filii Dei'!

However for the sake of argument let's bite their copied anti-Catholic argument and go back to Rev 15:2: "...and those who had overcome the beast and its image and the 'number of its name'..." It's a NAME of the BEAST.. NOT a TITLE! Given that a Pope used the title "Vicarius Filii Dei" it cannot be applied since it's a TITLE. What Rev. 15:2 is saying is that IT'S A NAME!

So let's apply that of Revelations and use names instead of titles and see who's the beast?

ELLEN GOULD WHITEEllen = L+L=100,
Gould=U+L+D=555,
White=a double 'U' = 2 'V's +1 =11.
Total these three numbers, and we have, 100 + 555 + 11 = 666.

FELIX (PELIKS) MANALO YSAGUN•FELIX [5 letters] because Felix is Latin but if it is translated to Tagalog: PELIKS = 6 letters]
•YSAGUN [6 letters]
•MANALO [6 letters]
= 666 ERAÑO GUZMAN MANALO [translated to Filipino] IRANYO GUSMAN MANALO

ERAÑO (IRANYO) GUZMAN (GUSMAN) MANALOIRANYO: 6 Letters
GUSMAN: 6 Letters
MANALO: 6 Letters
=666

Now, who has the BEAST NUMBER in HIS NAME, the Pope or them?
The keys
The keys were a tribute to the pagan Roman god Janus, the god of doors and beginnings. Another proof the Catholic church symbols are from paganism. Of course Catholic will claim that the keys were those given to Apostle Peter to hide their pagan influenced worship.

CD2000: Ignorance of the Bible is ignorance of Christ. On the contrary, the KEYS are symbols of Petrine Suprimacy among the Apostles. The symbol was taken from Matthew 16 “I will give you the KEYS of the Kingdom of Heaven…” It’s BIBLICAL. Mr. INC Minister is obviously trying to evade that fact.

"the two keys which represent the keys to Heaven (according to the Gospel of Matthew 16:19) given by Jesus Christ to St. Peter. The popes are regarded as the successor of Peter, and the gold and silver keys have been significant elements in the symbolism of the Papal State since the 13th century. The gold represents spiritual power, while the silver key represents worldly power." -Wikipedia

resbak aka Conrad Obligacion said:
White – blank, ignorant. This is according to Ivatan Blogger AKA Wakay AKA Catholicdefender2000 himself as he described it in his blog post.
• Yellow – The color yellow has traditionally been associated with cowardice, treachery, inconstancy and jealousy. Brewsters says that in France, the doors of traitors’ houses were daubed with yellow. The medieval yellow star (continued by the Nazis) branded Jews as having “betrayed Jesus.” In medieval paintings, Judas Iscariot (ultimate symbol of treason) is portrayed wearing yellow garments. In Spain, victims of the Inquisition wore yellow, to imply they were guilty of heresy and treason. On the American frontier in the early 1800s, a “yellow-dog” was anything worthless. ~courtesy of straightdope.com
There you go. This is what the Vatican flag means if we used the reasoning and methods of Ivatan Blogger AKA Wakay AKA Catholicdefender2000 in describing the INC flag.
CD2000: Good that this INC Minister is redirecting us to his source at straightdope.com.  Why he can't even provide us LINK to his SUPPOSED explanation DAW of their flag? And as long as your Central is silent on this, we say such as the INC Flag with no official explanations, white could mean BLANK or it could mean nothingness.

For the Vatican Flag, the official explanations from the Vatican States is explained even by wikipedia! Why SCAVENGE for garbage sources when there's plenty of sound sources to read. We are not scavengers. We are heirs of the Kingdom of God!

Oh, by the way, I wish any INC member could provide us with official explanations so we minimize speculating, will you?

Ivatan Blogger AKA Wakay AKA Catholicdefender2000 is jealous!
May 24, 2011 | Author: resbak
Catholicdefender2000 AKA Ivatan blogger AKA losav
Ivatan Blogger AKA Wakay AKA Catholicdefender2000 is jealous! Yup. And also furious. Why? Because his beloved church, the Roman Catholic church dropped the ball big time. In his blog post at catholicdefender2000.blogspot.com he’s asking if the name if the church is indeed Church of Christ. Well, that is what is written in the bible.

CD2000: Who is jealous with a bogus and stolen name? What's written in the Bible in Romans 16:16 is "iglesia" [maliit na titik]. Why you robbed its meaning by changing it to "Iglesia" [malaking titik]? (Oh by the way, it's Paul's letter to CATHOLIC ROMANS, not Filipino Iglesia members).

Let alone their favorite Acts 20:28 Lamsa Translations has "church" [iglesia], NOT "Church" [Iglesia] in it.

That's DISRESPECTFUL of the HOLY SCRIPTURES! That I won't be jealous of Mr. Obligacion!

What a pity. Mr. Obligacion who publicly DENIED being a member of the INC-1914 is making up for that denial. For the record, we consider LYING in the Catholic Church of Christ as a sin no matter how venial it is.

Compared that to the INC a LIAR is rewarded a handsome prize. Mr. Obligacion is reaping dollars to his account just to lie. That I won't be jealous at.

In the case of ROSITA TRILLANES who accused their "Last SUGO" of having molested and raped her and other women members (who later retracted her sworn statements) was REWARDED with the position of a DIAKONESA (deaconess).

I believe, the Iglesia ni Cristo Administration is giving Mr. Obligacion the “head-on” for an “Oplan-Linis” filthy activities against anyone exposing the Iglesia ni Cristo’s cultic teachings. Well, that's well documented in wikipedia. CONGRATULATIONS! You have received your earthly reward for allowing yourself to be a puppet of the Manalos.

In grammar, it's always CASE SENSITIVE.  And since the INC have problem with that simple rule of grammar, wow about playing with the abbreviations INC., Inc., and inc.?

The inc. it means INCOMPLETE. This is commonly used by teachers in school paper works.
The Inc. it means INCORPORATED. This is commonly used in registered companies.
The INC it means the IGLESIA NI CRISTO. Of course, this is the official name of a church founded by Felix Manalo.

Merge those abbreviations in a sentence and it makes perfect sense to me.

Could mean: The INC is an inc. Inc.
Could mean: The inc. INC is an Inc.
Could mean: The Inc. of the INC is inc.

What do I mean when I employed those rules of grammar and abbreviations using the letters “I” “N” and “C” in lower and upper cases in a sentence? It means a LOT, right? So please do not ignore words "iglesia" from "Iglesia" because it could mean something else. Deliberately changing them means a lot!


For the name of the CHURCH, it's all there in the Bible.

LUKE 4:14 " .. Ho Galalaia kai pheme exerchatomai KATH'OLES"
LUKE 8:39 "Apelthen KATH'OLES ten polin..."
LUKE 23:5 "Anaseis ton laos didasko KATH'OLES"
ACTS 9:41 "Gnotos de egeneto KATH'OLES"
ACTS 10:32 "Hemeis oidate ho genomenon rhema KATH'OLES"
ACTS 4:18 "Kai kelasantes autos pareggeilan to KATH'OLOU..."
and the most significant is,
ACTS 9:31 "He men oun EKKLESIA KATH'OLES ..." - the Church is called "CHURCH THROUGH OUT" in greek, "EKKLESIA KATH'OLES" (KATA + HOLOS = KATHOLIKOS). (Source: The Splendor of the Church)

Here's the explanation from Wikipedia:

The word catholic (derived via Late Latin catholicus, from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning "universal") comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου (kath'holou), meaning "on the whole," "according to the whole" or "in general", and is a combination of the Greek words κατά meaning "about" and όλος meaning "whole". The word in English can mean either "including a wide variety of things; all-embracing" or "of the Roman Catholic faith." as "relating to the historic doctrine and practice of the Western Church."

THEREFORE the statement of Ignatius about the CATHOLIC CHURCH words in reference to the CHURCH of CHRIST (not the registered Iglesia ni Cristo) suggest the people IDENTIFY CATHOLIC CHURCH to that ONE (no protestant Church then) CHURCH Christ founded.

resbak aka Conrad Obligacion said:
And another funny thing with the Catholic is the confusion among Catholics themselves. Its simply hilarious. Catholics has a so-called “creed” which they recite every time they go to mass wherein the name they recite is “one holy catholic apostolic church” and some Catholics swear that this, “one holy catholic apostolic church” is the name of their church. But not all call themselves this. They would rather call themselves Catholics. Still others want to be called Roman catholics even if they not even from Rome. It’s a whole bowl of confusion. I’m not going to dwell on the how and when the confusion started but I can tell you it was caused by self-proclaimed infallible Popes (see Second Vatican Council). Still some Catholic writers insist the name of the church is Catholic church. Members of the Catholic church are mostly called Catholics and sometimes Romans.

CD2000: Hilariously funny is Mr. Obligacion’s COMPLETE IGNORANCE of the HISTORY of the CREED. Read HERE before you are brained-washed completely.

The CREED is a Christian DECLARATION of the TRUTHS on GOD, JESUS, the SAINTS and the CHURCH against those few people who wanted to hijack the Church Jesus founded. If one reads the HISTORICITY of the CREED will lead him/her to appreciate how rich in Wisdom the Church of Jesus Christ was. No doubt the Holy Spirit protected the Church of Jesus Christ against those FAKE ONES—now moving towards the Third Millennium!

For the information of those still extremely IGNORANT of the FOUR MARKS of the CHURCH (One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic) is well explained by Catholic-Pages.

ONE: The Church Jesus founded IS ONE—not re-established, not re-founded.
HOLY: the Sanctity of those who offered their lives in DEFENSE of the TRUTH in the CHURCH- the saints.
CATHOLIC: It embraces all races (not only Filipino OFWs and their foreigner husbands/wives), languages (not only Tagalog), race, creed, embracing ALL!
APOSTOLIC: It can be traced back to the times of the Apostles. Only the Catholic Church can trace that- it’s written in the pages of history!

Christ didn't command us to name the Church after him. He left us distinctive MARKS so as to know the TRUE from FALSE cults/sects spreading like mashrooms today.

resbak aka Conrad Obligacion said: We all know that church built by Christ is called Church of Christ, emphasis on Christ.

"We all know...?" Who are these "we" he's referring to?

There are only 4-10 million (unreliable numbership) people who deceive themselves about that name. And there are 1.1 billion people, 1/6 of total world's population who believe that the Catholic Church is the TRUE CHURCH of established by Christ.

LIAR! There is nothing in the Bible that says Jesus Church should be named “Church of Christ” I repeat, what’s written in the Bible is “church” not “Church”!

With Mr. Obligacion’s coming back with the same venom of a deceiver, I am beginning to think that what’s he’s acting is being ENCOURAGED by the Iglesia ni Cristo Administration.

Now the deceiver has been exposed again! Pray that you are not deceived.

All those who love truth should seek it with all honesty. If one is in doubt, try to read UNBIASED sources such as the Wikipedia. Make sure to CONSULT what’s OFFICIALLY taught by any group or church let’s say the Catholic Church (www.vatican.va or www.usccb.org or www.catholiconline.com). Personal opinions available in the net such as blogs could help but DO NOT RELY on them. CONSULT what’s OFFICIAL! That way you will be LED to the TRUTH!

Note: PASUGO and The MESSAGE is Iglesia ni Cristo's OFFICIAL Magazine. Everything written on it is officially approved by the Central Management (their little vatican) in the Philippines.

PASUGO Mayo 1968, p. 7:
“Ang tunay na Iglesia ni Cristo ay iisa lamang, ito ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo. Kung mayroon mang nagsisibangon ngayong mga Iglesia at sasabihing sila man ay INK rin ang mga ito ay hindi tunay kundi huwad lamang!"
PASUGO Nobyembre 1940, p. 23:
“Iisa lamang ang tanging makapagtatayo ng Iglesiang magiging dapat sa Dios. Kung sino? -- Ang ating Panginoong Jesu-Cristo lamang! Sinumang tao-- maging marunong o mangmang-- ay walang karapatang magtayo..."
PASUGO Agosto-Setyembre 1964, p. 5
“Kailan napatala sa Pamahalaan o narehistro ang INK sa Pilipinas? Noong Hulyo 27, 1914. Tunay nga na sinasabi sa rehistro na si Kapatid na F. Manalo ang nagtatag ng INK."
PASUGO Abril 1966, p. 46:
“Ang Iglesia Katolika na sa pasimula ay siyang Iglesia ni Cristo."
Thosse quotes were taken from the OFFICIAL MAGAZINE of the IGLESIA NI CRISTO called PASUGO! Now, anyone can quote from our official teachings the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH available in the net and in bookstores WORLDWIDE in different languages!

By the way, here is the REAL PROSTITUTE of the DECEIVER!

7 comments:

  1. alam mo nakaka awa ding yong may 666 ang pangalan haha

    read this article.

    http://torch-of-salvation.blogspot.com/2011/06/ang-may-numerong-666-na-binabanggit-sa.html

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  2. i believe that iglesia ni cristo is not true church... silang huwad na mga tao nag tatanggol sa maling doctrina na walang anumang batayan...

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  3. Sbhin man natin na tao lng ang nagtayo ng ink di nmn ang taong un ang sinasamba ng kaanib kundi anvg nasa taas..kahit sino walang makapagsabi kng katoliko ang tunay n relihiyon dahil ao lng din ang nagt.atag.maswerte pa nga at may isang tao ang nangaral ng salita ng panginoon at hindi puro kalayawan lng kyo din nagsasalita ng masama sa kapwa nio .

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    1. Ang sinasamba ng INC™ o ng Iglesia ni Cristo® ay ang "nasa taas"?

      Taas ng ano? Kinsame? Butiki un...

      Kami sinasamba namin ang NAG-IISANG DIOS, AMA, ANAK AT ESPIRITU SANTO... ung sinasabi ng inyong DOXOLOGY na:

      Purihin natin ang Ama
      Mabuhay sa pag-ibig ng Anak
      Taglayin ang Espiritung Banal
      Ang DIOS ay lagi nating sambahin.
      Amen


      Tingnan natin kung may doctrinal error kung pagpapalitin natin ang lyrics ng kanilang doxology.


      Purihin natin ang ANAK
      Mabuhay sa pag-ibig ng AMA
      Taglayin ang Espiritung Banal
      Ang IISANG DIOS ay lagi nating sambahin.
      Amen


      Isa pa:


      Purihin natin ang ESPIRITU SANTO
      Mabuhay sa pag-ibig ng ANAK
      Taglayin ang ESPIRITU NG AMA
      Ang IISANG DIOS ay lagi nating sambahin.
      Amen


      Isa pa:

      Purihin natin ang Ama
      Mabuhay sa pag-ibig ng BANAL NA ESPIRITU
      Taglayin ang Espiritung ng ANAK
      Ang IISANG DIOS ay lagi nating sambahin.
      Amen


      May DOCTRINAL ERROR ba?

      Wala!!!

      Sapagkat ang AMA, ANAK, at ang ESPIRITU SANTO ay ISANG DIOS.


      Saan mo makikita sa kanilang doxology na TATLO ang Dios samantalang binanggit na nila ang TATLONG PERSONA?

      Kung gayon dapat ganito ang kanilang DOXOLOGY:


      Purihin natin ang Ama
      Mabuhay sa pag-ibig ng Anak
      Taglayin ang Espiritung Banal
      Ang DIOS AMA LAMANG ay lagi nating sambahin.
      Amen

      Pero di nila sinabi iyon... kaya't lalabas na sa kanilang DOXOLOGY ay INAAMIN IMPLIED ang BANAL NA TRINIDAD sapagkat ang sabi nila sa dulo ng doxology ay:

      "Ang DIOS ay lagi nating sambahin."

      Sino sa AMA, ANAK at ESPIRITU SANTO ang tinutukoy nilang "DIOS ay lagi nating sambahin"?


      Walang iba kundi ang AMA, ANAK at ESPIRITU SANTO -- IISANG DIOS sa TATLONG PERSONA.

      Tumpak!

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  4. Imbento ka nanaman. Walang Trinidad sa Biblia. Kahit anong version. Kathang isip lang yan. Nakakatuwa talaga kayong mga Katoliko. Pilit na ipinagtatanggol ang mga maling pananampalataya. Bakit di ninyo banggitin dito sa inyong BLOG para malaman ng mga miyembro ninyo na ang MAJORITY ng rituals sa inyong relihiyon ay nagmula sa mga PAGANO. Kaya ba ninyong gawin ito?

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    1. Ay lalo pong WALA SA BIBLIA si FELIX MANALO, ang JULY 27, na ipagdiwang ang kaarawan ni Felix, na magsamba sa Huebes, at maghiwalay ang mba babae sa lalaki sa bahay sambahan..

      At lalong wala sa Biblia na MATATALIKOD ang BUONG IGLESIA.
      At lalong wala sa Biblia na kailangan pa ni Cristo ng isang FElix Manalo para "dumios" sa kanya...

      Ang lalakas niyong magsalita... wagas!

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    2. At WALA rin po sa Biblia na IPINAG-UUTOS na SUMAMBA sa ISANG TAO LAMANG (Cristo niyo tao lang)!!!

      Ang PAGSAMBA ay sa DIOS lamang! Iyan ang itinuturo ng Biblia.. baka sabihin mo na namang "sinasamba" namin si Maria at mga Santo at Santa hehehehehehe... saan ba namin itinuturo ito? Paki-site mula sa official Catechism of the Catholic Church please..

      Hintay kami... hehehe kung magsalita kayo WAGAS!

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