"The Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If ever there were a safe truth it is this, and Protestantism has ever felt it so; to be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant." (-John Henry Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine).

"Where the bishop is, there let the people gather; just as where ever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church". -St. Ignatius of Antioch (ca 110 AD)a martyr later thrown to the lions, wrote to a church in Asia Minor. Antioch was also where the term "Christian" was first used.

“But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.” 1 Timothy 3:15

"This is the sole Church of Christ, which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic." -CCC 811

Tuesday, July 15, 2014

Formal Debate: Catholic Apologists vs Iglesia ni Cristo Deceivers


Thanks to Fr. Abe Arganiosa for providing this video

Ventilacion: [1:16:51] Mr. Alvin, kanina binanggit mo ang pangalang... 'Iglesia ni Cristo', yun bang nasa Roma 16:16 ay ang Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo?... you mentioned kanina the church established by Christ. Medyo interesado ako. Yun bang iglesiang itinatag ni Cristo, yun ba yung nasa Romans 16:16?

CD2000: Ang "mga iglesia ni Cristo" na binabanggit sa Roma 16:16 ay patungkol sa mga iglesiang kay Cristo at HINDI TATAG ng taong katulad ni Felix Manalo. Huwag ka nang mangarap.  

 Sulat ito ni Apostol San Pablo sa mga KRISTIANO SA ROMA.  "Ang lahat ng mga iglesia ni Cristo ay bumabati sa INYO". 

Hindi porke't nabanggit lang ang mga salitang "iglesia ni Cristo" ay kayo na!

Himay-himayin natin ang Roma 16:16 [may naisulat na rin akong artikulo tungkol dito].  Sulat po ito ni Apostol Pablo sa mga TAGA-ROMA at hindi Pinas!  

Ang sabi ni Apostol Pablo ay "BINABATI" nga raw ng LAHAT ng mga iglesia ni Cristo ang IGLESIA SA ROMA!  

Malinaw po yan!  IGLESIA po sa ROMA ang BINABATI ng LAHAT ng mga iglesia ni Cristo!

Ang mga katagang ito ni Apostol San Pablo ay HINDI natupad sa INC ni Manalo. Ito'y NATUPAD sa IGLESIA sa ROMA!

Tingnan niyo ang mapa sa ibaba!


Source: Wikipedia
Yung Green (Luntian) ay mga bansang may Diplomatic Ties o kaya'y may Apostolic Delegates sa IGLESIA sa ROMA. Taon-taon ay nagpapadala sila ng PAGBATI sa IGLESIA sa ROMA.  

BINABATI nga naman ng mga iglesia ni Cristo ang IGLESIA SA ROMA. Eh bakit ang "Iglesia ni Cristo-1914" ay HINDI BUMABATI sa IGLESIA sa ROMA? 

Dahil diyan, lalong LUMILITAW na HINDI SILA ang binabanggit sa Roma 16:16 kundi TAYONG mga KATOLIKO yon!

Yung mga kulay Gray (Abo) naman ay ang mga bansang WALA pang  foreign delegation o sadyang mapanganib sa mga Kritsiano. Ang PAG-UUSIG sa mga kaanib ng IGLESIA sa ROMA ay hindi matawaran sa tindi.  Ito ay ang mga bansang:
Bagamat ang mga bansang ito ay walang diplomatic ties o formal o informal Apostolic Delegates mula sa Iglesia sa Roma ngunit may mga kaanib ng Iglesia Katolika sa mga bansang nabangit.  

Ngayon Ginoong Ventilacion, alin nga ba ang IGLESIANG BINABANGGIT sa ROMA 16:16? Iglesia sa Roma ba o Iglesia sa Pinas? At alin nga ba ang IGLESIA NI CRISTO na binabanggit ni Apostol San Pablo noong Unang Siglo, ang Iglesia noong 33 AD or ang INC 1914?

PASUGO, Abril 1966, p. 46:
“Ang totoo hanggang sa kasalukuyan ay patuloy na ginagawa ni Satanas ang pagpapasok ng mga maling aral sa Iglesia Katolika na sa pasimula'y siyang Iglesia ni Cristo. Sadyang matalino at tuso ang diablo. Hindi niya ginawang biglaan ang pagtalikod sa Iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo noong unang siglo."
PASUGO July August 1988 pp. 6. 
“Even secular history shows a direct time link between the Catholic Church and the Apostles, leading to the conclusion that the true Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.”

Ventilacion: [1:55:09] Yung nasa Bagong Tipan hindi ko pwedeng tutulan yan. Pero sa Batong Tipan, ipakita mo rin na naordinahan si John the Baptist!

CD2000: Mr. Ventilacion, kung gagamitin pala natin ang pamantayan mo sa pagpapatunay na HINDI na kailangan ng ordinasyon kay Felix Manalo (bilang sugo) katulad ng pagkasugo kay Juan Bautista na hindi na nangailangan ng ordinasyon, ang tanong magkapantay ba ang tungkulin ni Juan Baustista kay Felix Manalo?  Si Juan Bautista ay kinasihan ng Dios at hinulaan ang pagdating at nasusulat ang kanyang pagkasugo maging ang kanyang pangalan-- nasusulat ba ang pagkasugo ni Felix Manalo, maging ang kanyang pangalan sa Banal na Biblia upang PANTAY ang paghahambing natin sa pagkasugo ni Juan Baustista kay Felix Manalo?

And we can't brush aside their despicable "manners" and the gross dishonesty on the side of these top-INC apologists deceiving many during this formal debate!


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13 comments:

  1. UnknownSeptember 28, 2015 at 2:15 PM

    paanu po yan wala pala sa biblia ang CFD ... anu pag lalaban nyu ngaun ... ...

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  2. UnknownOctober 12, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    Wala? Sure po kayo?
    Catholic Faith Defenders. Let's explain it word by word.

    a) CATHOLIC - Acts 9:31 (Greek Bible), "ai men oun ekklēsiai kath olēs tēs ioudaias kai galilaias kai samareias eichon eirēnēn oikodomoumenai kai poreuomenai tō phobō tou kuriou kai tē paraklēsei tou agiou pneumatos eplēthunonto" EKKLESIA KATH'OLES.

    The term "Catholic", derived from the Greek word καθολικός (katholikos), which means "universal" or "general", was also used to describe the Church in the early 2nd century. The term katholikos is equivalent to καθόλου (katholou), a contraction of the phrase καθ' ὅλου (kath' holou) meaning "according to the whole". Thus the full name Catholic Church roughly means "universal" or "whole" church.

    b) FAITH DEFENDER - Peter says in 1 Peter 3:15: "but in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence." By doing so, you are speaking the Truth just like Jesus says after He was being slapped for doing it. “If I said something wrong,” Jesus replied, “testify as to what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth, why did you strike me?” -John 18:23

    You cannot even find the word TRINITY in the Bible but OUR BIBLE has it, its meaning. The same thing goes to us, Catholic Faith Defenders. EXCEPT for INC. The aforementioned is the Truth. Now you can't just act like those Pharisees and officials who acted violently against Jesus UNLESS YOU AND YOUR CHURCH REALLY ARE AGAINST GOD. God bless bwahahaha!

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  3. UnknownOctober 15, 2015 at 7:57 PM

    @marcdublasdublas, Stupido!!! ano topic Sir? pano napunta sa tanong mo ang usapan.. Isip isip din pag may time sir hah, utak "HITLER" talaga mga INC. (incomplete). talagang pamamaraan ng paglinlang ang ginagawa nyo sa mga myembro nyo, mind conditioning and brainwash. obvious o sa Powerpoint screen ng mga taga INC. utak "POLVORON" (buo pero sabog)

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  4. HUE123December 3, 2015 at 4:11 PM

    Catholic FAILED Defenders. PAYASONG PUTAK NG PUTAK SI GITAMONDOC

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  5. HUE123December 3, 2015 at 4:12 PM

    CATHOLIC FAILED DEFENDER. DEBATER BA TALAGA SI GITAMONDOC O PAYASO?

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  6. HUE123December 3, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    SAAN BANDA NANALO ANG MGA CATHOLIC FAILED DEFENDER? HAHAHAHAHA "DAPAT DAW LAHAT MAY PAGPAPATONG NG KAMAY"? TAPOS BIGLANG "HINDI NA KAYLANGAN NG PAGPAPATONG NG KAMAY" WAHAHAHAHAHA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91uAGRiN3ow

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  7. HUE123December 3, 2015 at 4:15 PM

    PALIBHASA NAGMUKHANG KAWAWA AT BULAANG PROPETA ANG MGA CFD NA TO SA DEBATE KAYA DITO NAGPUPUPUTAK SA BLOG. HAHAHAHAHA BITTER NA BITTER SA PAGKATALO SA DEBATE

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  8. CD2000December 5, 2015 at 7:31 AM

    HUE123, I understand why you're making "PUTAK NG PUTAK" that's because YOU REALLY CAN'T ESCAPE the truth. WE ARE UP FOR THE FAITH and NOTHING can stop us now! Whether we WON or WE LOSE we WILL STAND UP AGAINST DECEIVERS of FAITH! Still the CATHOLIC CHURCH is the only CHURCH that JESUS CHRIST established which your INC™ church ACCEPTS AS FACT!

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  9. UnknownFebruary 17, 2016 at 11:37 AM

    Cath Def.

    1) dba totoo kayo na nasa bible?
    bakit ang daming aral sa biblia na sinusuway nyo, tulad ng pagsamba sa duys-dyusan,, hindi pag-aasawa ng pari (Which is aral ng demonyo ayon sa 1 Timothy 4:3 ),, at marami pang iba, wag na baka masaktan k p lalo

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    1. CD2000February 22, 2016 at 9:28 AM

      Unknown, why should I reply to someone who is "UNKNOWN". But for the sake of those people around the world following this blog, let me answer that.

      Yes, the CATHOLIC CHURCH is in the Bible. Read the GREEK VERSION since the word "catholic" came from the Greek word.
      [http://newadvent.org/bible/act009.htm]
      ACTS 9:31

      Ἡ μὲν οὖν ἐκκλησία καθ' ὅλης τῆς Ἰουδαίας καὶ Γαλιλαίας καὶ Σαμαρείας εἶχεν εἰρήνην, οἰκοδομουμένη καὶ πορευομένη τῷ φόβῳ τοῦ κυρίου, καὶ τῇ παρακλήσει τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος ἐπληθύνετο.

      κατά ὅλος (kata holos)

      Secondly, there is NO ONE BEING WORSHIPED except GOD. Saints aren't gods, they were humans like us but lived a holy and virtuous lives. They emulated the HOLINESS OF GOD that when they died, they died as HOLY WITNESSES to His Truth.

      If secular societies know how to GIVE HONOR TO FALLEN HEROES, how much more the CHURCH which existed for more than 2,000 years, is there any VERSE in the Bible that PROHIBITS Christians from emulating HOLY MEN and WOMEN of the Church?

      In fact, even St. Paul EXHORTED CHRISTIANS to EMULATE him in I Corinthians 4:16; 11:1 when he said "follow my examples".

      So stop rebelling against God and his Church but believe.

      1 Tim. 3:15 even CONFIRMS that THE CHURCH (not the Bible) is the PILLAR and FOUNDATION of [all] TRUTHS.

      So if the CHURCH says we must give honor to fallen heroes of the Church, it MUST BE TRUE because the CHURCH is the PILLAR and FOUNDATION of all truth.

      God bless.


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  10. UnknownJune 4, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    lahat ng religion kapani paniwala..pro ndi aq maniwla sa katoliko..mas maniwala nq sa muslim kesa jan..nasa katoliko n lahat ng kasalanan at makakasalanan sa mundo

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  11. UnknownJune 4, 2016 at 7:35 PM

    lahat ng religion kapani paniwala..pro ndi aq maniwla sa katoliko..mas maniwala nq sa muslim kesa jan..nasa katoliko n lahat ng kasalanan at makakasalanan sa mundo

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  12. CD2000June 6, 2016 at 3:16 PM

    Butayto makisig, maniwala na sana ako sa iyo pero halata namang anti-Katoliko ka kaya di mo matanggap ang katotohanang ipinapahayag ng Iglesia Katolika.

    Hindi ko naman sinasabing malinis ang Iglesia pero ito ang dahilan kung BAKIT KAILANGAN NG MGA KATOLIKO ANG ISANG MANUNUBOS sapagkat LAHAT KAMI AY MAKASALANAN hanggang sa aming SAPITIN ang KALUWALHATIAN.

    Hindi ka nga karapat dapat sa IGLESIA NG DIYOS sapagkat tingin mo sa sarili mo ay isa nang nilalang na walang bahid ng kasalanan. Kung wala kang bahid ng kasalanan, isa kang diyos at hindi mo na SIYA kailangan pa.

    Good luck.

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